to get defensive. that's what caused the $10,000 bet with governor romney and that what caused the moment where president obama, then senator obama, told hillary she was likeable enough. i think both of them, when put on their heels, tend to make mistakes. >> let's play a clip of that from the hillary clinton/barack obama debate. >> he's very likeable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likeable enough, hillary. >> thank you very much. >> so, realistically, what is the impact -- how as a debate prepper do you help someone navigate those moments that just happen as the debate unfolds? >> it's through extensive preparation. you know, the one thing that you can't compensate for is the lack of practice. so both men, i'm sure, have been working extensively to prepare for these moments. you know, the big thing is, to take them through every eve eventuality as much as possible and also get them mentally prepared. it's those mental lapses when they're not focused. keem them focused throug